Gandhi and Einstein Have a Podcast Conversation on Simplicity

The other day I found myself thinking about a fictional scenario in which Mahatma Gandhi had a podcast, and invited Albert Einstein to sit down for a chat on simplicity. 

I would listen to that, because those inspirational men are two of my favourite historical figures.

Unfortunately, such a podcast would probably not get more views than Joe Rogan’s podcast interview of Trump. Or maybe I am wrong and it would get more than The Joe Rogan Experience's 50 million views. I like to think so.

My scenario has these amazing men meeting in the gardens at the Sabarmati Ashram in Ahmedabad, India.  

I picture them sitting together on a bench surrounded by nature. They are in the cool shade of a tree, shielded from the sun and heat, and are drinking a Limca, or nimbu soda.

Let’s listen in on this fictitious account - 

Gandhi: Welcome to the Sabarmati Ashram Pravachan Podcast, where we explore the profound beauty of simplicity in our lives. 

Today, I am honoured to have with us a man whose thoughts have transcended the complexities of our universe, Albert Einstein. 

He is a physicist whose theories have reshaped our understanding of time and space, and embodies the principle that simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. 

Join us as we delve into the wisdom of simplicity with a man who has not only unraveled the mysteries of the cosmos but has also embraced the elegance of a simple life.

Welcome, Dr. Einstein.

Einstein: Thank you. You know, I’ve often said, “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” In a world filled with complexity, I believe simplicity is a profound value.

Gandhi: Indeed, Albert. I resonate with that thought. I have always believed that “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” Simplicity allows us to focus on what truly matters in life—our relationships, our values, and our purpose.

Einstein: Exactly! When we strip away the unnecessary, we can see the beauty of the universe more clearly. It reminds me of my theory of relativity; it’s about understanding the fundamental truths without the clutter of excess.

Gandhi: And in my experience, simplicity is not just about material possessions. It’s about the clarity of thought and intention. “The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.” When we live simply, we can serve others more effectively.

Einstein: That’s a powerful perspective. I often think about how our pursuit of knowledge and progress can sometimes lead us astray. “A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.” We must be willing to embrace simplicity in our endeavors, to innovate without losing sight of our humanity.

Gandhi: Yes, and it is through simplicity that we can cultivate peace. “An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.” When we simplify our desires and focus on compassion, we can foster understanding and harmony.

Einstein: I admire your commitment to non-violence, Gandhi. It aligns with my belief that “Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.” Simplicity in our lives can lead to deeper connections and a more peaceful existence.

Gandhi: Precisely, Albert. Simplicity is a path to freedom. “The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.” When we let go of the complexities of anger and resentment, we find strength in forgiveness and love.

Einstein: It seems that in our quest for knowledge and truth, we both arrive at the same conclusion: simplicity enriches our lives. It allows us to explore the depths of existence while remaining grounded in our values.

Gandhi: Yes, my friend. Let us continue to advocate for a life of simplicity, where we can inspire others to seek clarity, purpose, and peace. 

After all, “In a gentle way, you can shake the world.”

I would like to thank Dr. Einstein for visiting us here in India, and making my wish to meet you in person finally come true. It has been a pleasure.

Einstein: You are so welcome. I came for the conversation, but I am staying for the chai and samosas.

Gandhi goes on, speaking to his audience.

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The gardens at Gandhi's Sabarmati Ashram in Ahmedabad, India.

Note - In reality, Gandhi and Einstein never met in person, although they corresponded with each other by writing letters because email, iphones, and podcasts hadn’t been invented yet.